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	<title>Comments on: Where Black Folks Came From and Other Fun Mormon Tales</title>
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		<title>By: doodiepants</title>
		<link>http://doodiepants.com/2010/01/22/where-black-folks-came-from-and-other-fun-mormon-tales/comment-page-1/#comment-477</link>
		<dc:creator>doodiepants</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jul 2010 09:06:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not here to defend anybody.  You seem the be in denial that there was an belief system in the church based around this seed of cain concept or at the very least, anti-negro.  I posted a copy of a Mormon source and quote from it.  All I receive from you is an over emotional rant.  You&#039;ve made claims about Mormonism&#039;s history that don&#039;t fit with actual history.  Everything is......out of context.   Read Wilford Woodruff&#039;s journal.  I understand W.W.;s journal in not a Mormon religious text, but it is an important record from the early church.   It&#039;s not taken out of context.  I followed up on other crazy quotes by other Mormons , Including Brig Young. Most of them are in context and just as ridiculous.

  
I&#039;ve read the book of Mormon, the Koran, and the Bible.  I don&#039;t care if Gandi was racist.  This has nothing to do with me or my personal beliefs; the only thing to focus on is the subject at hand.  If you were a Mormon, I&#039;d hope you had more solid information against my statement and things like this journal; not to mention the bevy of Brigham Young quotes that go directly against what you&#039;re saying, and not &quot;made up&quot;.   Well, other than your standard comeback.....that every single one is out of context. 

I live in Central America with my Central American family.  Your childish &quot;brown&quot; comments are entertaining and sad.  I&#039;m glad you see you&#039;re sinking to that level.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not here to defend anybody.  You seem the be in denial that there was an belief system in the church based around this seed of cain concept or at the very least, anti-negro.  I posted a copy of a Mormon source and quote from it.  All I receive from you is an over emotional rant.  You&#8217;ve made claims about Mormonism&#8217;s history that don&#8217;t fit with actual history.  Everything is&#8230;&#8230;out of context.   Read Wilford Woodruff&#8217;s journal.  I understand W.W.;s journal in not a Mormon religious text, but it is an important record from the early church.   It&#8217;s not taken out of context.  I followed up on other crazy quotes by other Mormons , Including Brig Young. Most of them are in context and just as ridiculous.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve read the book of Mormon, the Koran, and the Bible.  I don&#8217;t care if Gandi was racist.  This has nothing to do with me or my personal beliefs; the only thing to focus on is the subject at hand.  If you were a Mormon, I&#8217;d hope you had more solid information against my statement and things like this journal; not to mention the bevy of Brigham Young quotes that go directly against what you&#8217;re saying, and not &#8220;made up&#8221;.   Well, other than your standard comeback&#8230;..that every single one is out of context. </p>
<p>I live in Central America with my Central American family.  Your childish &#8220;brown&#8221; comments are entertaining and sad.  I&#8217;m glad you see you&#8217;re sinking to that level.</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas</title>
		<link>http://doodiepants.com/2010/01/22/where-black-folks-came-from-and-other-fun-mormon-tales/comment-page-1/#comment-476</link>
		<dc:creator>Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jul 2010 04:16:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do you know what &quot;doctrine&quot; actually is?  This seems to be a hard one for you to get a grip on.  Book of Mormon=Mormon doctrine.  Doctrine and Covenants=Mormon doctrine.  Pearl of Great Price=Mormon Doctrine.  Bible (as far as it is translated correctly)=Mormon doctrine.  

Oh yeah, back to the original questions you never answered.  Have you ever read the Book of Mormon?  Have you actually regulary attended a Mormon church?  Have you ever taken the missionary discussions?  Have you spend endless hours online on anti-Mormon sites filled with random quotes taken out of context that are not, and never had been, included in Mormon doctrine?  BINGO!  Got one!!!  

This is so simple and it blows my mind how you&#039;re not getting it.  Hmm, have you researched the journals of people in other faiths too?  Have you read what Charles Darwin&#039;s journal contains?  Have you read Martin Luther&#039;s?  How about Ghandi&#039;s?  Oh wait, you probably have read Ghandi&#039;s because rumor has it, he was a racist.  I wonder what Michelle Obama&#039;s journal contains.  I wonder if that would ever be taken out of context and manipulated by people looking for any negative molecule they want to believe about her.  

Cain=black people=Not Mormon doctrine.  One day you&#039;ll get it.  Till then just keep looking on those oh so informative anti-Mormon sites that a ten year old could create.

And PS, I was correcting your Spanish, not your spelling.  OH no!!!  Could I, just possibly be one of those Browns?  When are you gonna defend My people???  We need you Doodiepants!  You are so progressive and understand all of us minorities so well!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do you know what &#8220;doctrine&#8221; actually is?  This seems to be a hard one for you to get a grip on.  Book of Mormon=Mormon doctrine.  Doctrine and Covenants=Mormon doctrine.  Pearl of Great Price=Mormon Doctrine.  Bible (as far as it is translated correctly)=Mormon doctrine.  </p>
<p>Oh yeah, back to the original questions you never answered.  Have you ever read the Book of Mormon?  Have you actually regulary attended a Mormon church?  Have you ever taken the missionary discussions?  Have you spend endless hours online on anti-Mormon sites filled with random quotes taken out of context that are not, and never had been, included in Mormon doctrine?  BINGO!  Got one!!!  </p>
<p>This is so simple and it blows my mind how you&#8217;re not getting it.  Hmm, have you researched the journals of people in other faiths too?  Have you read what Charles Darwin&#8217;s journal contains?  Have you read Martin Luther&#8217;s?  How about Ghandi&#8217;s?  Oh wait, you probably have read Ghandi&#8217;s because rumor has it, he was a racist.  I wonder what Michelle Obama&#8217;s journal contains.  I wonder if that would ever be taken out of context and manipulated by people looking for any negative molecule they want to believe about her.  </p>
<p>Cain=black people=Not Mormon doctrine.  One day you&#8217;ll get it.  Till then just keep looking on those oh so informative anti-Mormon sites that a ten year old could create.</p>
<p>And PS, I was correcting your Spanish, not your spelling.  OH no!!!  Could I, just possibly be one of those Browns?  When are you gonna defend My people???  We need you Doodiepants!  You are so progressive and understand all of us minorities so well!</p>
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		<title>By: doodiepants</title>
		<link>http://doodiepants.com/2010/01/22/where-black-folks-came-from-and-other-fun-mormon-tales/comment-page-1/#comment-475</link>
		<dc:creator>doodiepants</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 23:59:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ahhhh and the one drop rule rears it&#039;s ugly head again.   This is the paragraph just below the W.W. journal quote above.

&quot;But the seed of Abel will be ahead of the seed of Cain to all eternity. Let me consent 
today to mingle my seed with the seed of Cain, it would bring the same curse 
upon me. And it would upon any man. And if any man mingle his seed with the 
seed of Cain, the only way he could get rid of it or have salvation would be 
to come forward and have his head cut off and spill his blood upon the ground. 
It would also take the life of his children.&quot;

This is in context......Seed of Cain = Negro  

Still denying?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ahhhh and the one drop rule rears it&#8217;s ugly head again.   This is the paragraph just below the W.W. journal quote above.</p>
<p>&#8220;But the seed of Abel will be ahead of the seed of Cain to all eternity. Let me consent<br />
today to mingle my seed with the seed of Cain, it would bring the same curse<br />
upon me. And it would upon any man. And if any man mingle his seed with the<br />
seed of Cain, the only way he could get rid of it or have salvation would be<br />
to come forward and have his head cut off and spill his blood upon the ground.<br />
It would also take the life of his children.&#8221;</p>
<p>This is in context&#8230;&#8230;Seed of Cain = Negro  </p>
<p>Still denying?</p>
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		<title>By: doodiepants</title>
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		<dc:creator>doodiepants</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 23:46:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think the word &quot;Negroes&quot; is a racist word.  It&#039;s just the word that was commonly used that the time.  

And do you really expect to find anything contrary to the Mormon faith from Pro-Mormon sources?   It goes both ways.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think the word &#8220;Negroes&#8221; is a racist word.  It&#8217;s just the word that was commonly used that the time.  </p>
<p>And do you really expect to find anything contrary to the Mormon faith from Pro-Mormon sources?   It goes both ways.</p>
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		<title>By: doodiepants</title>
		<link>http://doodiepants.com/2010/01/22/where-black-folks-came-from-and-other-fun-mormon-tales/comment-page-1/#comment-473</link>
		<dc:creator>doodiepants</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 23:43:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m quite aware of Joseph Smith ordaining a dark skinned man into the priest hood.  There were no restrictions from 1832 to 1848.    Then Brig Young brought the Cain doctrine in and it lasted until 1978.  I suppose this is a lie too?  Maybe you need to do some research.  

http://www.nhfelt.org/Doc_Other/Woodruff_Wilford.pdf

Here&#039;s a copy of Woodruff journal.  Be sure see Jan 1852 and do also some searches for Negro.   

&quot;The Lord said I will not kill Cain, but I will put a mark upon him and it is seen in the face of every Negro on earth. And it is the degree of God that that mark shall remain upon the seed of Cain and the Curse until all the seed of Abel should be redeemed and Cain will not hold the priesthood until all the seed of Abel are redeemed. Any man having one drop of the seed of Cain in him cannot hold the Priesthood and if no other Prophet spake it before I will say it now in the name of Jesus Christ.&quot;

I suppose the Wilford Woodruff&#039;s Journal is all made up anti Mormon BS too?


Thank you for correcting my speellling.    I&#039;m glad your arguments have dwindled to that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m quite aware of Joseph Smith ordaining a dark skinned man into the priest hood.  There were no restrictions from 1832 to 1848.    Then Brig Young brought the Cain doctrine in and it lasted until 1978.  I suppose this is a lie too?  Maybe you need to do some research.  </p>
<p><a href="http://www.nhfelt.org/Doc_Other/Woodruff_Wilford.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.nhfelt.org/Doc_Other/Woodruff_Wilford.pdf</a></p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a copy of Woodruff journal.  Be sure see Jan 1852 and do also some searches for Negro.   </p>
<p>&#8220;The Lord said I will not kill Cain, but I will put a mark upon him and it is seen in the face of every Negro on earth. And it is the degree of God that that mark shall remain upon the seed of Cain and the Curse until all the seed of Abel should be redeemed and Cain will not hold the priesthood until all the seed of Abel are redeemed. Any man having one drop of the seed of Cain in him cannot hold the Priesthood and if no other Prophet spake it before I will say it now in the name of Jesus Christ.&#8221;</p>
<p>I suppose the Wilford Woodruff&#8217;s Journal is all made up anti Mormon BS too?</p>
<p>Thank you for correcting my speellling.    I&#8217;m glad your arguments have dwindled to that.</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas</title>
		<link>http://doodiepants.com/2010/01/22/where-black-folks-came-from-and-other-fun-mormon-tales/comment-page-1/#comment-472</link>
		<dc:creator>Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 23:31:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In your quest to prove how not &quot;racist&quot; you are and how &quot;racist&quot; the Mormon church is, you missed my latest answer to your obsessive Mormon bash saga.  It&#039;s also funny how you quote the word &quot;Negroes&quot; as if it wasn&#039;t part of common language less than 80 years ago.  Black people used it my dear friend so sorry, you can&#039;t really use that one as &quot;I ain&#039;t a racist but the Mormons are&quot; ammunition.  And yes, your &quot;Official Statements&quot; are wrong and out of context.  Oh, but wait- how could I think that &quot;exmormon.com&quot; would ever provide false information or take anything out of context about the Mormon church?  What am I thinking!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In your quest to prove how not &#8220;racist&#8221; you are and how &#8220;racist&#8221; the Mormon church is, you missed my latest answer to your obsessive Mormon bash saga.  It&#8217;s also funny how you quote the word &#8220;Negroes&#8221; as if it wasn&#8217;t part of common language less than 80 years ago.  Black people used it my dear friend so sorry, you can&#8217;t really use that one as &#8220;I ain&#8217;t a racist but the Mormons are&#8221; ammunition.  And yes, your &#8220;Official Statements&#8221; are wrong and out of context.  Oh, but wait- how could I think that &#8220;exmormon.com&#8221; would ever provide false information or take anything out of context about the Mormon church?  What am I thinking!</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas</title>
		<link>http://doodiepants.com/2010/01/22/where-black-folks-came-from-and-other-fun-mormon-tales/comment-page-1/#comment-471</link>
		<dc:creator>Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 23:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why would it make me feel any better that you&#039;ve trashed others?  I think it&#039;s pathetic.  And your statement is completely FALSE.  Statement from, &quot;The First Presidency on the Negro Question&quot;?  Are you kidding me?  Here, why don&#039;t you quote me an this:  &quot;Doodiepants wants to be a terrorist.&quot;  I guess I could mutilate that all I wanted and make it look official somewhere on the internet, couldn&#039;t I?  I guess I could write an anti-Doodiepants book.  And everyone better believe it because Everything online or in a book is always true!  Your research is amateur and ridiculous if this is what you base your findings on.  

Joseph Smith, himself, ordained black men to the Priesthood.  Oh wait, you probably never got that far in your &quot;research&quot;.  Do you know how much anti-Mormon (completely false) literature is out there?  Well, I guess you might since that&#039;s what you use to &quot;research&quot; the Mormon church.  Have you ever attended a Mormon church?  Have you read the Book or Mormon?  Have you taken the missionary discussions?  Please, enlighten us.  Gee, I wonder if I could find out all the &quot;truths&quot; of the Baptist church or Islam by going to an &quot;ex-Baptist&quot; or &quot;ex-believer of Islam&quot; who is probably bitter because they were offended by some other church member.  People that are searching for truth don&#039;t sit and dwell on what they don&#039;t believe anymore.  They are excited by what they&#039;ve found and they work on bettering themselves.

What is interesting is how obsessed you are with finding fault in the Mormon church.  I actually don&#039;t see how you find the time since finding fault appears to be your full-time job.  Have you ever entertained the thought that you might be happier on a daily basis if you did something more constructive and uplifting?  

And by the way, it&#039;s &quot;Muchisimas Gracias&quot;.  Supongo que te falten mas investigaciones de espanol tambien.  Actually, maybe you spelled it like that because sometimes, when people are trying to imitate someone they hear speak Spanish, they don&#039;t realize that people from certain Spanish-speaking regions will drop the &quot;s&quot; as part of their linguistic pattern.  It&#039;s always written though.  Ok, now go look up some more gems of knowledge for me.  I&#039;ll be waiting........</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why would it make me feel any better that you&#8217;ve trashed others?  I think it&#8217;s pathetic.  And your statement is completely FALSE.  Statement from, &#8220;The First Presidency on the Negro Question&#8221;?  Are you kidding me?  Here, why don&#8217;t you quote me an this:  &#8220;Doodiepants wants to be a terrorist.&#8221;  I guess I could mutilate that all I wanted and make it look official somewhere on the internet, couldn&#8217;t I?  I guess I could write an anti-Doodiepants book.  And everyone better believe it because Everything online or in a book is always true!  Your research is amateur and ridiculous if this is what you base your findings on.  </p>
<p>Joseph Smith, himself, ordained black men to the Priesthood.  Oh wait, you probably never got that far in your &#8220;research&#8221;.  Do you know how much anti-Mormon (completely false) literature is out there?  Well, I guess you might since that&#8217;s what you use to &#8220;research&#8221; the Mormon church.  Have you ever attended a Mormon church?  Have you read the Book or Mormon?  Have you taken the missionary discussions?  Please, enlighten us.  Gee, I wonder if I could find out all the &#8220;truths&#8221; of the Baptist church or Islam by going to an &#8220;ex-Baptist&#8221; or &#8220;ex-believer of Islam&#8221; who is probably bitter because they were offended by some other church member.  People that are searching for truth don&#8217;t sit and dwell on what they don&#8217;t believe anymore.  They are excited by what they&#8217;ve found and they work on bettering themselves.</p>
<p>What is interesting is how obsessed you are with finding fault in the Mormon church.  I actually don&#8217;t see how you find the time since finding fault appears to be your full-time job.  Have you ever entertained the thought that you might be happier on a daily basis if you did something more constructive and uplifting?  </p>
<p>And by the way, it&#8217;s &#8220;Muchisimas Gracias&#8221;.  Supongo que te falten mas investigaciones de espanol tambien.  Actually, maybe you spelled it like that because sometimes, when people are trying to imitate someone they hear speak Spanish, they don&#8217;t realize that people from certain Spanish-speaking regions will drop the &#8220;s&#8221; as part of their linguistic pattern.  It&#8217;s always written though.  Ok, now go look up some more gems of knowledge for me.  I&#8217;ll be waiting&#8230;&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: doodiepants</title>
		<link>http://doodiepants.com/2010/01/22/where-black-folks-came-from-and-other-fun-mormon-tales/comment-page-1/#comment-470</link>
		<dc:creator>doodiepants</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 23:16:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t believe in &quot;Black&quot; anyway.

http://doodiepants.com/2010/01/13/barack-obama-is-not-black/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t believe in &#8220;Black&#8221; anyway.</p>
<p><a href="http://doodiepants.com/2010/01/13/barack-obama-is-not-black/" rel="nofollow">http://doodiepants.com/2010/01/13/barack-obama-is-not-black/</a></p>
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		<title>By: doodiepants</title>
		<link>http://doodiepants.com/2010/01/22/where-black-folks-came-from-and-other-fun-mormon-tales/comment-page-1/#comment-469</link>
		<dc:creator>doodiepants</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 23:07:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One thing more.  If you&#039;re going to continue on about the acceptance of the Dark skinned folks in the church, then you have to ignore a LOT of quotes from your Brig Young and other in the 20th century.  And my apologies for quoting from an Ex-Mormon.....but am I to believe that all of these quotes about the inferiority and the cursed black race are false or that every single one of these is taken out of context?

http://www.exmormon.org/blacks1.htm

Mormon are the ones that don&#039;t seem to care about how a darker skinned individual may feel.  Not me.   I&#039;m just glad they changed most of their policies concerning the &quot;Negroes&quot;.


Also is this quote below also a lie?  If so I&#039;ll be happy to delete it.  

1947 the First Presidency (supreme council) of the Church issued an Official Statement: “From the days of the Prophet Joseph Smith  even until now, it has been the doctrine of the Church, never questioned by Church leaders, that the Negroes are not entitled to the full blessings of the Gospel.” (Statement of The First Presidency on the Negro Question, July 17 1947, quoted in Mormonism and the Negro, pp.46-7)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One thing more.  If you&#8217;re going to continue on about the acceptance of the Dark skinned folks in the church, then you have to ignore a LOT of quotes from your Brig Young and other in the 20th century.  And my apologies for quoting from an Ex-Mormon&#8230;..but am I to believe that all of these quotes about the inferiority and the cursed black race are false or that every single one of these is taken out of context?</p>
<p><a href="http://www.exmormon.org/blacks1.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.exmormon.org/blacks1.htm</a></p>
<p>Mormon are the ones that don&#8217;t seem to care about how a darker skinned individual may feel.  Not me.   I&#8217;m just glad they changed most of their policies concerning the &#8220;Negroes&#8221;.</p>
<p>Also is this quote below also a lie?  If so I&#8217;ll be happy to delete it.  </p>
<p>1947 the First Presidency (supreme council) of the Church issued an Official Statement: “From the days of the Prophet Joseph Smith  even until now, it has been the doctrine of the Church, never questioned by Church leaders, that the Negroes are not entitled to the full blessings of the Gospel.” (Statement of The First Presidency on the Negro Question, July 17 1947, quoted in Mormonism and the Negro, pp.46-7)</p>
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		<title>By: doodiepants</title>
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		<dc:creator>doodiepants</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 22:51:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If it makes you feel any better look, I’ve trashed a few others. haha

http://doodiepants.com/2010/06/22/questions-and-answers-from-islam-qa-com-part-1/
http://doodiepants.com/2009/06/04/farting-preacher/
http://doodiepants.com/2009/08/17/india-markets-cow-urine-softdrink-a-gift-from-the-gods/
http://doodiepants.com/2009/08/26/are-heterosexual-taliban-a-dying-breed-gay/
http://doodiepants.com/2009/08/09/scientology-southpark/
http://doodiepants.com/2009/06/25/4000-evil-jews-planned-911-ridiculous/
http://doodiepants.com/2009/06/06/virgin-mary-underpass-apparition-vandaalized-with-horns-and-666/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If it makes you feel any better look, I’ve trashed a few others. haha</p>
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